FEMA Coffins Conspiracy [Debunked All 3 Locations]

12/21/2008 06:34:00 PM

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ga104Now I've never found myself a "conspiracy theory" person however at times I find myself curious or interested in some of the claims that are made out on the net.  One of these was the claim that FEMA has half a million caskets ready for mass death.  Upon initially looking at some of the pictures, it piqued my interest and began to surf a bit more to see what I could find out.  Along the way, I found that many people were just copying what one website had, word for word, and posting the same information over, and over, and over again.  So, I decided to take on the infamous FEMA Coffin conspiracy to see what I could find out, and judge for myself exactly what these things are.  Read on to determine for yourself what is true and what are lies.

 

THE CONSPIRACY

One good website to use for an example of the conspiracy that FEMA is preparing for half-a-million bodies, is "The American Freedom Foundation".  On their page they rant "FEMA Body Containers" and "If these locations are know, why have patriot groups or individuals not taken them out?"  BTW, if anyone close to you has disappeared, according to the UAFF, it is because "Assassination of U.S. Citizens who are on the "RED LIST" will Commence on 10/1/2008!"  Oh, and they also have a link to a video titled "Was The Katrina Disaster Planned" and "FEMA:  The Plan to Kill America."

Oh and lets not forget about Alex Jones' Infowars, that states "Well, apparently the Government is expecting a half million people to die relatively soon..."

Then there is the mentality that "We are being told that these 'camps' are for terrorists or an influx of illegal aliens."  "I believe in the Bible and I believe that we are in the last days; the signs are all around us," found on Media Take Out, who claims "The Most Visited Black Website In The World."

Along the way I found the mentality that the NWO was going to take out 90% of the population, that those who were on the infamous "lists" would end up in one of these, or that the government is planning on a bio-terrorism attack.

 

THE VIDEOS

Here’s a short sampling of videos found on the subject.

For this one, turn your volume down at the beginning.  An air raid siren is bad enough, but a computerized version of an air raid siren is annoying

 
Here’s another prime example 

And why not one more?

THE LOCATION IN GEORGIA

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THE SEARCH

So lets take a look at some of the pictures that are posted out on the web of the Georgia Location.

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Some of the first thoughts after looking at these pictures was that either these were for storage, or in fact they could hold a body.  But one thing bothered me in this, they are rather large to hold a single body.  Now what little I know about caskets is that due to some new EPA regulations, and some new cemetery regulations that caskets must be placed into what is called a vault in the ground.  So, I decided to find out what I could about vaults and their relationship to a casket.

A "funeral vault" according to "Free Patents Online" is that Patent 4845906 is a "two piece burial vault comprised of a cooperating pair of high density, molded polystrene members which are adapted to be frictionally, forcibly coupled together to surround, seal and enclose a conventional casket."  In other words, they are grave liners that is placed in the ground before a casket is lowered into the ground. Once the casket is in the ground, then the top is sealed and the grave is covered.

ats50432_Picture_2.jpegSo the casket is placed inside the funeral vault to protect it from water penetrating and from the ground collapsing over time as the casket deteriorates  So the first thought after learning this was that FEMA or the NWS plans on killing us, but they are nice enough to give us a casket to be buried in.  This made absolutely no sense.  I will use Nazi Germany as an example, since many seem to compare these FEMA caskets and killing the population with it, that those who were executed or sent to the gas chamber were either cremated or buried in mass graves.  And even then, later those that had been buried in mass graves were exhumed and then their bodies were burned.  So this made absolutely no sense.  Why would our government want to kill us, and then give us a decent burial?

And in the case of a pandemic, since the vault's only real purpose to to protect the contents, and the elements from getting in, and doesn't seem to be a good choice to seal in bacteria or a virus, again, this made no sense in addition to the things are just too big to hold a single body.

But half a million of these things.  That's quite a LOT of funeral vaults to be in one place.  Now we all know that the Federal Government buys things in bulk, but buying half a million funeral vaults just in case?  That seemed rather extreme.  But then again, I thought, if you think on the scale of a biological attack on a major city, half a million people seems realistic, and may even might not be enough.  And why just outside Atlanta, GA.  Alex Jones rants that the CDC is located in Atlanta, so did the CDC purchase a half million funeral vaults at a central location.  Theoretically, the funeral vaults could be placed on a truck, and into the belly of a C-130 off to anywhere, and arrive in literally hours anywhere in the Continental United States within hours.

So I felt I needed to find out exactly who in our Federal Government was buying these things.

 

FEDERAL PURCHASING

On the web, many conspiracy website claim that the company that makes these funeral vaults is Polyguard and Co, who's parent company is Rocky Mountain Products.  So I took a look on the Federal Spending website and searched for Polyguard.  And I found that the Department of Veterans Affairs was in fact purchasing these funeral vaults from Polyguard.  In the first quarters of FY2008, the Department of Veterans Affairs made 25 transactions (not products) for a grand spending total of $463,861.00, which represented about 12% of Polyguard & Co.'s business.  The total purchase amount from FY2000 to FY2008 (first 2 quarters of 2008 only) was nearly $6 million with the largest amount spent in FY 2005 at $1.1 million, and the smallest amount in FY2001 when none were purchased.  Transactions for the first two quarters of FY2008 ranged from $732 up to $73,250.

Looking at the transaction data all the vault liners were sent to the same address. 

Date Signed Completed Date Description Shipping Address Dollar Amount
01/22/2008 02/21/2008 Thermoplastic Graveliners 49 Twin Spruce Bus Park
Afton, WY
$73,250

 

So the Federal Government does purchase vault liners through the Department of Veterans Affairs from Polyguard.  But what many people don't know is that the Federal Government pays for the burial of any veteran.  And these gave liners made by Polyguard are intended to bury veterans in national cemeteries.  In a Aloha Chapter of the Military Officers Association of America newsletter [PDF] from Hawaii, Miles Okamura, Cemetery Operations Manager, Hawaii State Veterans Cemetery, Office of Veterans Services, described the Hawaii Veterans Cemetery-Kaneohe as a State Funded Cemetery for Veterans.  There is a $300 burial/inurnment fee that spouses/dependents pay and cost for the veteran is covered by the VA.  "Casket burials now require Polyguard Burial Vaults at the cost of $220 for family members and no charge for the Retiree, Veteran or Active Duty personnel.  The vaults were required to prevent the burial site from settling and collapsing following the burial."

HercAirseal1-250Additionally, the vault liners that the VA purchases are not the same type as the ones sitting in GA. The ones that Polyguard makes would be deserving and befitting of that of a Veteran, not some a plain black vault.  And would the Federal Government kill half a million people, and then provide a "casket" for them, that appears to be top of the line?

So why would the VA keep funeral vaults in GA, when they are sent to Afton, WY?  So I decided to take a look around Afton, WY and found the site, in WY where the VA keeps the funeral vaults stored.  This is nothing more than a legitimate location for VA storage of funeral vaults located at 42.750018, -110.936857, contrary to MANY conspiracy theories of an additional FEMA casket location.

 

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Additionally, Alex Jones InfoWars contacted Polyguard and this is their response.

Polyguard and Co.
Afton, WY 83110
1-800-654-1067

To Whom this May Concern:

As you all know, death is one of those issues that we all fear yet we all will go through it at some time in our life and we have most all experienced a loved one passing away.  In fact there is as average of 2.5 million deaths occurring each year.  Some are cremated and some are buried.  Most burials require an outside burial container to go around the casket to keep the ground from settling and the aesthetics of the cemetery beautiful with the least amount of maintenance needed.  Until about 30 years or so ago, the only outside burial containers available were concrete or wooden boxes.  Because of modern technology, there are now other alternatives to concrete such as fiberglass or polymers (plastic).

I am not sure how Polyguard became associated with the burial vaults that are stored in Georgia.  Those vaults are manufactured by our competitors in Georgia.  However, the manufacturers own the property they are stored on and there is no big secret surrounding the vaults.  Because of the manufacturing costs and the ability to manufacturers 2 parts probably ever 2-5 minutes, once the process begins, to be cost effective you manufacture until your raw products are gone.  This creates inventory that can be rotated and used as needed.

In the funeral service industry, there is a program called "pre-need" which allows families to go to a funeral home or cemetery and pre-pay for their funeral merchandise or services.  I would guess that most of these vaults have been pre-sold and they are meeting the requirement of the storage program set forth by the manufacturing company and the Federal Trade Commission who governs funeral service.  Because we do not own the vaults and are not the manufacture of the vaults, I cannot tell you those numbers for sure.

Many of you keep referencing a patent for a cremation container.  This product never even made it to the market as far as I know.  If it did, it is not the same product that is being stored at the manufacturers storage facility in Georgia.  DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO ITEMS!!!

If this information does not help ease your mind, you are welcome to call us.

Debbie Sainz
Polyguard & Co., LLC.

So this lead me to a dead end on Polyguard however, I had a new clue!  A similar company in Georgia in the same state the “FEMA caskets” were located.  It was time to do more looking.

 

ANOTHER COMPANY

I learned there was a company that made burial vaults, and they just happen to be located just out of Atlanta, GA.  Right down the road from where the alleged FEMA casket site is located.  That company is Vantage Products Corporation.  On their website, you can find the exact same burial vault, as is seen in the "FEMA casket" site.

 

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The Basic Ultima
"Engineered to deliver unprecedented strength-to-weight makes Ultima safer to handle and inter in any weather conditions or cemetery terrain.  The superior V-locking seal system seals out the elements for ultimate protection, providing the peace of mind that families expect."

And I learned that this company has been trying to debunk the "FEMA casket" site theory.

Vice President of Operations Michael Lacey said that the theories regarding the property, and what's on it, aren't quite accurate.  According to Lacey, there are about 50,000 of the burial vaults on the property which Vantage leases, located at 1200 Madison Industrial Boulevard.  The land is leased from Conyers Welding & Supply and has for four or five years, a fact that Conyers Welding & Supply has confirmed.  Conyers Welding took over the lease when the property was purchased from Robert Usury in 2000.  Usury purchased the property in 1989, according to the information portal provided by the Morgan County Tax Assessor's Office and the Morgan County Online Public Property Portal.

As the vaults were placed on the site around 1997 or 1998, there may have been as many as 70,000 or 80,000 to begin with.  "It's no where near the quantity they talk about on the Internet,"  Lacy has said.  This quantity of burial vaults, Vantage's Standard Air Seal in black, also the least expensive model and the most in-demand, was made to cater to what Lacy calls the funeral industry's "pre-need".  This "pre-need" occurs when people make arrangements for their funeral before they actually pass away, so that the family doesn't have to go through the additional stress of making arrangements.  When these arrangements are made, the products are paid for; obviously, though, they are not yet needed.  So, Vantage stores the product until the person dies, and the product is needed.

Additionally, long time residents say the burial vaults have been there for over 10 years.

From:  MLacy@VantageProducts.com
Subject:  Fw:  Enquiry
Date:  29 July 2008 05:48:44 BDT
To: [Redacted]

[Redacted]

The property on Lions Club Road in Madison, Georgia is leased by Vantage Products.

The product stored on the property are standard burial vaults, please see our web page for information on this product - www.vantageproducts.com

The majority of cemeteries across the United States require the use of a burial vault when a body is interred.  The use of a burial vault, plastic or concrete, is to prevent the collapse of the ground in the cemetery and to protect the casket placed inside.

In the funeral and/or death care industry there is a common practice of people making their funeral arrangements prior to death.  Many people like to make their own selections for the casket and burial vaults that will be used at the time of their death.  Once this selection has been made the local funeral home that has made arrangements can purchase the burial vault product from Vantage Products and we will store it for them until that person dies.

We maintain detailed records of ownership of the products and require a certificate of ownership to be sent to use before products can be released.  Additionally, we are annually audited by several states including Georgia to insure that we have all of the products that our records indicate and that are on file with each of the participating states.

These products are not owned by any one individual person, company or the government.  Additionally, there are only about 50,000 vaults in storage in Madison, no where near the quantity that is being discussed openly on the net.

In the United States there are approximately 1,300,000 deaths each year.  Of those deaths there are about 900,000 in ground burials every year.  Only a small percentage of those people have pre arranged their burial.

I hope this has answered your questions.  Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have additional questions.

Cordially,
Michael A. Lacy
Vice President of Operations
Vantage Products Corporation
960 Almon Road
Covington, GA 30014
770-788-0136 Office
770-788-0361 Fax
404-545-8022 Cell
mlacy@vantageproducts.com

And lets look at the numbers now.  Lacy states there are about 50,000 of the burial vaults at this location (at the time of the writing of the letter).  If you look at a picture of a stack of vaults, there are approximately 20 in each stack.  If you divide 50,000 by 20, that means there are about 2,500 stacks of 20 each.

If you wish to believe the number of 500,000, dividing that by 20 you get 25,000 stacks of 20.  There is no way there are 25,000 stacks at the Georgia location.  2,500, yes.

 

ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS

I've shown that the location in Wyoming is for the VA.  I've shown that the location in Georgia is for Vantage.  But there is one more location that conspiracy theorists talk about, and that is at Ennis, Texas (32.320277, -96.608030) located right next to Interstate 45.  It does appear that there are more "FEMA caskets" here in the aerial view. 

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The address is 640-646 Rumbo Road and is adjacent to the Anderson/I-45 Industrial Park [PDF aerial view] located on Metro Park Blvd.  I would like to say at this moment that Google Maps using their street view function is your friend.  You can see it yourself in a 360 view by clicking on "Street View".  Note the vantage point shown in the insert of the picture.

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The location obviously holds sewage drain supplies.  And it just so happens that there is a plumbing company, Salik Plumbing located just down the street at 604 Rumbo Road who according to Manta is owned by Willie Salik.  According to a document for Texas titled "Maintenance Providers by County" [PDF], Willie Salik  MP0000803, is certified to maintain products made by Ecological Tanks.  Ecological Tanks are manufacturers of sewage systems.

Sorry, no "caskets" or even burial vaults here.

 

CONTINUED LIES

Although not many seem to know that the "FEMA caskets" are a legitimate place, they continue on with their theories without doing some real research.  Now it did take me a couple of hours to do the research for this post, but I learned exactly who owned what, their comments, and was able to decide for myself that this "FEMA casket" conspiracy is nothing more than a work of fiction.  People really need to stop believing everything they read on the Internet without researching it first.  It's not like people lie on the Internet, right?

But what angers me most is that people actually make money on these bogus stories.  Alex Jones InfoWars is a perfect example.  Lets take a look at his video on this topic.

Now lets look at exactly what he says.  First Alex Jones claims that the vaults are made by Polyguard. Secondly,  he says that the land is leased by FEMA. He additionally claims "We know this is FEMAWe know that these are coffins.  Some people are debating that.  Because we have all the news articles where it says FEMA has ordered coffins and body bags by the millions.  This is just one stockpile."  And he additionally claims that the CDC has said they are "doing this" incase of a biological attack.  I don't know what Alex Jones has been smoking however, it has warped his mind. 

Here’s Alex Jones radio show on the topic of the plastic coffins.

I think I've pretty well proven that Alex Jones is "crazy" wrong.  I'd like to challenge Alex Jones to show the documentation that he has, primary source documents, not comments on the web, that prove what he is saying contradicting what both companies have said, and what federal records show.  I'm saying Alex, prove me wrong!  Prove to me that FEMA leases this land.  Prove to me that Polyguard manufactured and owns these "caskets".  Prove to me there are more "stockpiles".  Prove to me that what is in that video are coffins and not burial vaults.  And to take a quote from Alex Jones, “QUIT LIVING IN DENIAL” over you making money by spreading lies!  If you have so much evidence proving a huge conspiracy, why don’t you release those documents to the public.  I’m not talking about people saying something, cause as well all know, everyone tells the truth ALL the time, I’m talking primary source documents and pictures.

What makes me angry is that people like this make a living off telling stories that aren't accurately researched, and continue to feed the conspiracy theorists while making money off of it by selling lies.  Just take a look at the trailer for his  “Endgame” video via YouTube.  Or you can watch 13 different exerpts from the movie on YouTube beginning here.

 

OTHER POSSIBLE CONSPIRACIES

There are those that know that these burial vaults are made by Vantage, and that the GA location is their storage location however, they continue to reach for conspiracy theories. 

Now serious "people who have no life" conspiracy theory people try to link everything and anything together.  One such thing is Vantage and the Federal Government.  Vantage was founded in 1978.  The plant was a research and development facility of Hercules, Inc. before being purchased.  Hercules was primarily a chemical company, but also had a number of subsidiaries and was part of the Aqualon Group as was Vantage Products Hercules spun off from DuPont Corp in the early 1900s.  Hercules had major defense contracts with the Federal Government.  Because of a relationship from the early 1900s, and because Hercules had defense contracts, the conspiracy theory people believe of course there is a connection and a cover-up.  First, the 1900s?  Come on, that is seriously tin-foil.  Second, so what if a company had a defense contract?  There are hundreds of thousands of companies that have defense contracts and contracts with the federal government.  But in the conspiracy theorists eyes, this means a cover up, and that the US government wants to kill us all, by laying out in plain site, half a million caskets (50,000 burial vaults), that they have purchased (owned by funeral homes), in plain sight.  I'm surprised they haven't added Elvis in all of this.

Then there is the connection of the Board of Ashland include former top US govt. employees, and the former head of the Red Cross who became infamous during 9/11.  Ashland acquired Hercules, which owned the plant that Vantage now occupies.  And because Ashland, who has plants in more than 100 countries, is still involved in defense contracts, and biobased chemicals, that we are all doomed and it's a cover-up.  Yeah.. okay...

Oh and lets not forget that since Vantage's parent company is Rowan Technologies, and that Rowan manufacturers industrial furnace/ovens and welding apparatus, and since Rowan has DoD contracts, then the Feds are planning on killing us, cremating us, and throwing all our ashes into these burial vaults. 

Ya know, I think there is a good plot here for a movie.. some of these people seriously need to consider becoming fiction writers, oh wait.. they already are.

Oh an according to a post found on Neithercorp Forum, "We'll need to do a background check on Michael A. Lacey." and "Mr. Lacey has a few more questions to answer I think........"

I would like to remind those of you who choose to follow this path of thinking.  First, the property that the burial vaults is located on is private property.  If Vantage or Conyers Welding wish to, and you are caught on their property, they can prosecute you for trespassing.  Of course then conspiracy theorists would have a field day on this fact, and probably say that the person disappeared, which is why  both companies have chosen to not prosecute those who choose to trespass on their property.

I would also like to remind those of you who choose to try to do a background check on Lacey.  Unless you are a part of law enforcement, this is illegal unless you have a signed statement from Lacey that allows you to do said background check.  He can prosecute for this.

 

BOTTOM LINE - FEMA CASKETS DEBUNKED

No evidence of "FEMA caskets" to be found in any of the locations that conspiracy theorists claim. 

DISCLAIMER

This one is for the conspiracy theorists.  I do not currently work for the Federal Government.  I do not currently have any contract to work as a civilian for the Federal Government.  My significant other is the same.  I have nothing to hide or gain out of debunking the FEMA casket theory other than to learn for myself that it is entirely false.

Oh and yes, I used the word “currently” intentionally to help spurn the conspiracy theorists on in additional conspiracies of what relationships I have had, if any, with the Federal Government because they will focus on the word “currently” and wonder if I have ever had said relationship while debunking this conspiracy theory.     *Insert Evil Laugh Here*

Now I didn’t say I didn’t think there aren’t some “interesting” things going on in our government.  In fact I ran across some interesting documents while deciding to start a new series on my blog about conspiracies.  I’ll be covering them over time.  They include the “Prisoner Trains”, “Prison Camps”, strange military training and programs, the Civilian Inmate Labor Program (a biggie among those who believe in the FEMA caskets, prison camps, prison trains), and interesting documents.  I’ve already debunked a few, but a few things are still holding my interest, and are proving well, weird.

Next conspiracy in the series, the "Prisoner Trains".

3 Responses to "FEMA Coffins Conspiracy [Debunked All 3 Locations]"

Anonymous said :
January 26, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Nice work. Good research. Level head, pretty much. Please be aware, though, that many conspiracy "theories" aren't really theories. You mention Alex Jones, for example. In fairness to him, I'd estimate he makes screw-ups like this less than 5% of the time...but that's not scientific. The reason these "theories" are the rage appears to be that so many past and present outrages have been so very well documented. This type of work is still very cool and needed. Errors like this make it too easy for those who actually are sinister to discredit people like Jones who do such otherwise valuable work.
ΣΑΟΣ said :
January 28, 2009 at 5:18 AM
You are right, there are not 500,000 coffins there! Actually, see my post of how I've used Google Earth to get an approximate number of coffins

http://saos-macedon.blogspot.com/2009/01/no-there-are-not-500000-coffins-in.html

The problem is that most people believe in conspiracy theories without even trying to do a little research by themselves, especially in cases like this, where the evidence is in front of their PC monitor...
Misery Index said :
January 30, 2009 at 5:40 AM
Thanks guys for leaving comments. Actually, Im going to re-write certain parts of this post. I wrote this post after doing about three hours of research and many of my sentences are "ramble on" sentences.

I guess that's what I get for being a late night, early morning blogger!

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